объясните как тут - в чем он прав? в том, что реселлеру бесплатно домены регал?
у него были отношения с реселлером, пусть он с него требует, нами деньги уже уплачены
Также сегодня было получено письмо от InternetX
"Re: [Ticket#101976751] Registered Domains -SIA Credit- Cancellation Inbox
InterNetX GmbH Buchhaltung <buchhaltung@internetx.de> Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:19 PM
To:
Dear Mr ___,
We are very sorry for the situation, that you have made a huge prepayment with
our former reseller Reg24.
Unfortunately we reveice email from a lot of his clients who have also made a
prepayment with him.
But Reg24 did not pay any invoices with us. He used Credit Card payment with
us which he did not.
Therefore InterNetX has registered the domains for Reg24, trusting that we
will receive the money.
If you have doubts or questions on the process, you are free to contact the
ICANN.
Some of the Reg24 clients have already contacted the ICANN organisation and
they where informed that InterNetX is a trustful partner of the ICANN since 10
years.
We are very sorry that you have lost money, but we are in the same situation.
We can offer you to open a reseller account with InterNetX directly and
therefore avoid to be cheated by an untrustfull reseller like Reg24. But we
have to ask you to pay for the domains, as they are still unpaid.
You can start a law case, but as InterNetX is free of guilt, you will not have
success. We recommend all clients from Reg24 to start a law case against Reg24
as he is the one to blame.
Please let me know if you need further information or help. I try to support
you as good as I can.
Best regards from Germany
Daniel Eisenhut
--
InterNetX GmbH
Maximilianstr. 6
93047 Regensburg
Germany
Tel. +49 941 59559-0
Fax +49 941 59559-55
Geschäftsführer/CEO: Thomas Mörz
Amtsgericht Regensburg, HRB 7142"
В ответ им было отправлено письмо с вопросами, на которые им предложено ответить, а также сообщено, что данное письмо будет отослано в ИКАНН, FTC, FBI, ICPEN и германскую полицию.
Пошел отписывать.
Итак, мой вариант письма во все инстанции
August, 03, 2009 i have found post on ___ . Price seems attactive to me, so i have contact the seller by icq.
Then i got information, that this seller just is subreseller. I got login and password from manage panel http://ok.dnsmanage.eu/. My login there was ___.
Firstly i have buy 6 domains (the data shown below) and payed for it through Webmoney from purse number ___ to purse number ___ prooving of payment is printscreen as image 1.jpg.
Data on domains (downloaded it time, when i have access to manage panel):
Domain Created Payable Status User Structure
данные по доменам
Later i have buy sites to pro,ote and using it in advertising purposes. Transfer domains on this registar cost 5$ per 1 domain/year.
Domains was transfered on this registar (PSI-USA Inc. - InternetX GmbH), as a result of transfer they were continued on 1 year.
The payment for transfer was through Webmoney from purse number ___ to purse number ___.
If prooving is needed, i can also provide prinscreen of this process.
As you can see the process of transfer long from August, 26 till September, 3.
September, 17 access to manage panel was blocked. It written - login or pass incorrect. Reseller (representative SIA CREDIT) announced, that they have technical work on manage panel.
Till now i havent access to manage my domains.
October,6 i got the letter:
Delivered-To: mymail@mymail.com
Received: by 10.204.123.7 with SMTP id n7cs665428bkr;
Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:00:03 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.204.13.207 with SMTP id d15mr5191636bka.157.1254841202647;
Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:00:02 -0700 (PDT)
Return-Path: <dispute-domain@internetx.com>
Received: from ix-mailer.internetx.de (ix-mailer.internetx.com [62.116.129.38])
by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 7si6656952bwz.5.2009.10.06.08.00.02;
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of dispute-domain@internetx.com designates 62.116.129.38 as permitted sender) client-ip=62.116.129.38;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of dispute-domain@internetx.com designates 62.116.129.38 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=dispute-domain@internetx.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by ix-mailer.internetx.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB98EB8C01D
for <mymail@mymail.com>; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:31:21 +0200 (CEST)
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Received: from localhost.localdomain (pizza.internetx.de [62.116.129.3])
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From: dispute-domain@internetx.com
To: mymail@mymail.com
Reply-To: dispute-domain@internetx.com
Sender: dispute-domain@internetx.com
Subject: Registered Domains -SIA Credit- Cancellation
X-Mailer: csv2mail 1.0
Message-Id: <20091006143110.508E9B8C015@ix-mailer.internetx.de>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:31:10 +0200 (CEST)
Regensburg, 10/06/2009
Dear Sir, dear Madam!
At the registry, which is in charge of this TLD,
you are registered as the owner (Owner-C) of the domain(s)
мои домены
The provider / ISP (SIA CREDIT, Dmitrijs Fjodorovs, Riga) who had the domains registered with us, failed to settle any payments. As a goodwill we had offered an extended deadline, which he again failed to meet.
In order to settle the question where your domain(s) will be administered hereafter / in future, we would like to request you to get in touch with us immediately. Since the annual fee is currently not being paid by your contractual partner / our reseller, the domains need to be paid by you. Otherwise -according to ICANN rules- the domains will be deleted.
Please keep in mind that as the owner of the domain(s) you have agreed to the Terms and Conditions of that particular registry - hence you need to fulfill your duty with due diligence. Additionally we’d like to inform you that a domain can be disconnected resulting in the non-availability of the domain.
*In case we do not receive any response from your side, .de domain(s) will be given to DENIC into transit at the next payment deadline. You will then receive a letter from DENIC (only if .de domains are involved) to which you should respond in order to prevent the deletion and transfer to a third person.
*In case we do not receive any response from your side regarding any other domain but a .de, we will delete the domain at the next payment deadline. In this case at once!
For aforementioned reasons, please get in touch with us until Monday, October 19th 2009. Please keep in mind that a delayed response might lead to a deletion of your domain(s).
Please contact us by mail: dispute-domain@internetx.com !!!!
Kind regards,
Legal Department
Geschдftsfьhrer/CEO: Thomas Mцrz
Amtsgericht Regensburg, HRB 7142
In this case registar propose me to pay the domains twicely.
So i have questions:
1) Why you as a register had allowed you reseller to register huge
quantity of domains (approx. 50000) without payment?
2) Did you have contract or agreement with reseller (SIA CREDIT)?
3) Is it any fraud scheme maden by reseller and registar or some
registar workers to lie his clients and get double payment for
domains?
4) Does this sutiation mean, that i can register any firm, become
reseller PSI-USA Inc., then register in period 3-4 months 50000
domains for free?
5) Why PSI-USA Inc. request payments from reseller firstly, then from
his customers only through 4 or even more months?
6) In previous letter from InternetX (PSI-USA Inc.) wrote, that
reseller didnt pay annual fee, why company request this fee only
through 4 or more months?
7) Why company InternetX GmbH (PSI-USA Inc.) propose to pay clients of
reseller, but not to reseller, who seems to be trusted?
8) Which terms of registar did PSI-USA Inc. mean?, if url on public
offer from reseller panel never show it (it even simply didnt load).
9) Terms of registar was accept by reseller, so why clients should pay twice?
10) Почему домены, которые и так имели регистрацию до 2010 года на
другом регистраторе будут удалены PSI-USA Inc. из регистра?
10) Why InternetX GmbH. (PSI-USA Inc.) want to delete domains, which
have registration more then till 2010 year with other registar and was
transfered to him?
Also i have read at forum
/ru/forum/comment/5603527
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ICANN Registrar Liaison
Цитата:Dear Ms ***,
According to the e-mail you received from InternetX GmbH, you
registered the domain name via a reseller of PSI-USA, Inc. (which is a
subsidiary of InternetX GmbH) but the reseller has not paid the
registration fee to PSI-USA, Inc.
However InternetX GmbH want to give you a chance not to loose the
domain name and ask you to urgently contact them in order to settle
the issue.
I recommend you to contact InternetX GmbH (dispute-domain@internetx.com).
Best regards,
Steve Gobin
Registrar Liaison Manager
ICANN Brussels Office
http://www.icann.org
http://www.internic.net
Ticket Details
===================
Ticket ID: NRQ-648688
Department: General Support
Priority: Medium
Status: Closed
11) Does it mean that ICANN allow such way of fraud and wouldnt
prohibit it in the future?
Danger of this precedence is that any register can introduce as
reseller, then try to get double price for domains.
Please answer on this questions, investigate this situation.
/ru/forum/comment/5606091
сюда
swimer42 добавил 10.10.2009 в 14:16
именно на невидимку, адо на интернетХ-ПСИЮСА жаловаться, в на интернетХ германским органа, на ПСИСА американским
https://odr.bbb.org/odrweb/public/getstarted.aspx?siteID=113
http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx ФБР, наверное, с удовольствием рассмотрит деятельность PSI-USA Inc. и их мошенничество на более чем 100 тысяч долларов. (оплата реселлеру + оплата им)
сюда тоже можно пожаловаться, завтра выложду свое письмо на инглише
ты наверное забываешь, что он реселлер и у него был какойто договор с интернетХ, и вот здесь начинаются шероховатости
наверное надо засесть на выходных и написать обстоятельное письмецо, с раскладом что же таки может приключиться благодаря самой иканн
swimer42 добавил 09.10.2009 в 17:03
ага, все правильно написал
в таком случае надо уточнить у иканн, стоит ли вообще связываться с реселлерами?, т.к. любой реселлер может не оплатить домены (не важно по какой цене) и они будут удалены, либо оплачены второй раз
swimer42 добавил 09.10.2009 в 16:15
своими словами иканн объявляет ресселерство вне закона
теоретически, но наврядли интернетХ даст
ну так есть домены со статусов ACTIVE
